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Interest. like most people she has an ipad. she's got an iphone. she has to stick with that blackberry because of various reasons in washington security and other things. they get used to them there in d.c. >> i remember her scrolling through a blackberry in the office once and asking me with a look of utter confusion in her eyes, what is a flicker? actually, the world is now asking that question. so ahead of the times there. you also got her to talk about tech companies like google and apple adopting new encryption technology that the nsa can't get through. she said that's a classic hard choi...

At this time of year, documents found at bin laden's compound in abbottabad show he was talking about launching attacks in the christmas period, the holiday period, on christmas day, even july 4, a sort of cloj squall reason. also they realize a lot of people are traveling at that time. but in general, these terrorist plots have been launched when the terrorists are ready rather than at any particular time of year. but there is additional concern this holiday period because isis now has this safe haven in syria and iraq and they've called for lone wolf attacks in the west. we've seen attacks i...

Was he known to be a potential terrorist? yes. could they have stopped it? obviously not. this is a problem with people who act alone without the conspiracy of other people, hardly a way to interject them. they have interjected five major terrorist plots including one in which islamic extremist and terrorists behead australians in the heart of sydney. mostly a has one the best records in the best intelligence services on islamic extremist in their own country. as we have seen in our own country, hard to see individual lone wolf terrorists. martha: as you point out, australia has been very aggr...

Not torture. he also holds the medal of honor, as did bud day who was also captured and tortured and subsequently made it clear that he did not believe waterboarding was torture. >> so if an american citizen is waterboarded by isis, are we going to try to prosecute isis for war crimes? >> he's not likely to be waterboarded. he's likely to have his head cut off. it's not a close call. >> if another country captures a u.s. soldier. >> you're trying to come up now with hypothetical situations. the waterboarding, the way we did it, was, in fact, not torture. now, when you're dealing with terrorist...

Techniques. >> well, according to senator feinstein, in most cases, the intelligence was available by other sources. or the intelligence they gave up played no role in stopping a plot. former cia officials have said that's untrue. in the "wall street journal" today they said the program helped. quote, it led to the capture of senior al qaeda operatives, removing them from the battlefield. it led to the destruction of terrorist plots and prevented mass casualty attacks, saving american and allied lives. it added enormously to what we knew about al qaeda as an organization. therefore informed ou...