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Debate, someone will make it clear we have killed more terrorists using drones. people may mot like drones but it's a substitute for american soldiers being on the ground. two, learning more and more about terrorist plots. i live in new york city. i'm thankful we have programs that do this. there's no doubt we wouldn't have this discussion without snowden. i'm not a snowden fan. he should come back home and face the music here like -- because i believe what he did was break the law. but at the same time, if we can answer the one question that andrea laid out, where do you store the data or who...

Director of the cia said the same thing, there's no evidence that this program is necessary to stop terrorism. there was one federal judge who accepted the government's aim claim that it could have helped stop 9/11. but two leading al qaeda experts, peter bergen, an analyst at cnn, and lawrence wright, who wrote defending against al qaeda, said those claims are absurd. the 9/11 commission made clear that the u.s. government had the in its possession what it would have needed to know about the 9/11 attack. they got a memo saying bin laden plans to attack in the united states. but they had so mu...

Plans to attack in the united states. but they had so much data, they couldn't connect the dots. the solution was to gather more evidence, to collect data indiscriminately about billions of people around the world. that makes it harder to detect terrorist plots than if you're focused on actually terrorists. >> oh, how i wish you could sit in a seat to do the job of protecting the country. the president has a tough job. i want to help the president do his job protecting the country. the legislative branch acts for the future. judges act by reflecting on the past. the president has to deal with ...

Identified after 9/11. one of the hijackers made a phone call from san diego to a known al qaeda safe house in yemen. nsa saw that call. but it could not see that the call was coming from an individual already in the united states. >> so the president argues, glenn, that the data is used to map the communications of terrorists so law enforcement can see who they may be in contact with and see it as quickly as possible. if it's stored somewhere else, does it make sense? >> along with the statement that he just made, they are completely contradicted by anyone who has looked at that question begi...

Get more data so we need more data. in fact at least in the way the partisans, both in the administration and republican party talked about it, there's no evidence and they have not presented any hard-core evidence that bulk collection of records has helped foil any terrorist plots two cases which people like dianne feinstein and democratic senator mike rogers, said prove that bulk collection worked, actually showed the opposite. old-fashioned intelligence work, and we need to start with that and then need a president who will tell the director of national intelligence, the heat of the nsa, th...