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And other programs that may exist? >> no, and this is such an important point. let's say the u.s. government collects everybody's phone records and taps into everybody's internet chats. they then say, when it turns out they get caught doing that, we detect a terrorist plot as a result of this program, no, that isn't correct. they ended up detecting terrorist plots because they specifically listened in on the phone conversations or e-mail communications of specific people about whom there was evidence to believe they were engaged in terrorism. what the u.s. government always did in the past, wh...

Are certain countries in which the u.s. congress has declared a war. the authorized use of military force in places like afghanistan, and he's not interested in exposing secrets of what is being done against those countries. he instead is wanting to inform the citizenry, not just around the united states but around the world, that the nsa is targeting everybody, and trying to erode privacy for all of us. >> the heads of the intelligence committees have said it proves dozens of terror plots have been foiled because of these programs. if that happens, would it justify the existence of prism and ...

Force in places like afghanistan, and he's not interested in exposing secrets of what is being done against those countries. he instead is wanting to inform the citizenry, not just around the united states but around the world, that the nsa is targeting everybody, and trying to erode privacy for all of us. >> the heads of the intelligence committees have said it proves dozens of terror plots have been foiled because of these programs. if that happens, would it justify the existence of prism and other programs that may exist? >> no, and this is such an important point. let's say the u.s. govern...

Detect a terrorist plot as a result of this program, no, that isn't correct. they ended up detecting terrorist plots because they specifically listened in on the phone conversations or e-mail communications of specific people about whom there was evidence to believe they were engaged in terrorism. what the u.s. government always did in the past, when they battled the soviets, engaged in the cold war, it was a very targeted surveillance, it was only against people for whom there was really evidence to believe they were engaged in wrongdoing. surveillance makes it harder to find the bad people b...

Progress. our intent is to get that to the committee tomorrow for both the senate and the house. >> great, thank you. ichblts mr. thompson. thank you mr. chairman, thank you all for being here, for your testimony and for your service to our country. mr. lipp, before going to hearing, does or has the fisa court ever rejected a case that's been brought before it? >> i believe the hans to that is yes, but i would defer that to the deputy attorney general. >> it has happened. it's not often. okay. er watching this hearing on capitol hill with security officials discussing the surveillance progra...