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There. and let me go to bill. bill, when you left the nsa, some of the things that we're seeing now are programs that you helped develop but you say it was intended to look at foreign sources, not u.s. is that the point that you feel like that our government has stepped across the line? >> yes it is. plus, the fact that they're collecting such bulk data. they were -- i left them with analytic principles like if you have a terrorist talk to somebody in the united states that was like the first degree. then the second degree would be who that person in the united states talked to. that formed a ...

Bill, when you left the nsa, some of the things that we're seeing now are programs that you helped develop but you say it was intended to look at foreign sources, not u.s. is that the point that you feel like that our government has stepped across the line? >> yes it is. plus, the fact that they're collecting such bulk data. they were -- i left them with analytic principles like if you have a terrorist talk to somebody in the united states that was like the first degree. then the second degree would be who that person in the united states talked to. that formed a zone of suspicion and also you...

Petraeus, sit in on meetings in the mornings and listen to classify chatter of terrorist talk and so forth. and i had that background any how so i knew a lot of that information and i think it was important to form my writing but i knew there was a clear line i couldn't cross when i was writing it out. i find it challenging sometimes to justify or when we had this discussion last night, you feel like the government is holding something back or not giving the full truth and they are giving out false information and sometimes obviously the government just can't disclose information because of so...

I'll debate pat live tonight. plus sarah palin's newest hypocrisy. now she's offended by terrorist talk. give me a break, half governor. welcome to the show. i'm al sharpton. tonight's lead, democrats, it's time to take stock. republicans have been having the conversation they want to have. now it's time to have our conversation, a conversation about creating jobs in america. the debt fight is over, the senate has passed the bill, the president has signed it, the debt limit will be raised. but for months republicans have tried to get away with all kinds of false statements about how the coun...

Waterboarding? let me guess. ♪. greg: i agree. that is worse than waterboarding. bottom line is if you have to make a terrorist talk in order to save lives then everything should be on the table including films, toes and noses. a lot of media critics have the luxury of not having to face such dilemmas. in their shiny studios they parrot the same old pointless phrase, but we are better than that. i'm not. [laughter] i will admit it. i am what is called a bad pers