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Distance i think is a go-to trump move in moments like this. >> every time it happens, if it gets uncovered, like, he's in a picture, in a meeting. why was he so close to rudy? what does it do. >> all of us sitting here are very aware of what the evidence is that, donald trump acted in a way that is not typical for a president. we know that he had these conversations. we know that rooud rooud julie wanted to get in true be true? your conversation was very representative, as you said, of the fact that it's not as if there's new evidence that's going to come out, we just have to change his mind.

Ambassador sondland agreed that the president did not, saying the president only cared about big stuff. what was big stuff? good question. sondland replies by big stuff he means what benefits, the president, like the biden investigation that mr. giuliani was pushing. so we've now heard from three respected officials who were all deeply concerned about how this president was pinching ukraine for what they all saw as campaign assistance. however, testimony aside, the worst move of the week for the president's defense came from the man himself. while former ambassador yovanovitch told her story o...