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Russian government. >> director brennan, is putin -- it's hard to ask this question this way, but is he more dangerous if the offensive in ukraine doesn't go as he'd intended and the reception in his own country is, at best, mixed but very polarized? >> i believe he is. i think his political fortunes are tied to how this whole initiative turns out. and if he sees that it's not going his way and the tide is turning against him, i think as a lot of these authoritarian leaders do, they will opt for desperate measures, and so i am very concerned about escalatory spiral, not just in ukraine in term...

With ukrainians find some sort of agreement with the russians, a cease-fire, and into the war. that would be the best-case scenario. and then we have to talk about how we would react to that, in terms of the sanctions. we can also go with a very dark and scary reaction. putin decides that there is only one way or to understand the conflict, by testing nato article five. because in a way, the most important thing we can do is maintain that unity, that determination on european allies to have the nerves of seal if he does test is in that way. >> congressman, there are a number of conservative fa...

The past few years. >> bobby, i know evelyn brought up this idea of a limited no-fly zone. i watched as you shook your head in disagreement, so i want to bring you in on that. >> well, i don't think that is how -- first of all, that is not what zelenskyy's asking for. not asking for a limited no-fly zone. he's asking for a no-fly zone. period. and secondly, i am very skeptical that you can be a little bit pregnant. i don't think they can be a partial no-fly zone. i think -- and i'm also very skeptical, we've become skeptical when it comes to predicting what putin will and will not do. i am not...