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Your return. a lot of it is the uncertainty as well. do you go on holiday and something changes dramatically again? and it�*s those sorts of concerns that are worrying the travel industry. we believe this would be a significant setback for demand this winter, real impacts on christmas. i think we'll see people now cancelling or postponing travel plans. and for a sector that hasn't had any revenue for 18 months, give or take a few months over the summer period, it's really significant indeed. the airlines do not make money in the winter, and so we've got a really difficult stretch ahead of us...

Variant if, in fact, it starts to take hold in a dominant way in this country. >> the u.s. has banned non-citizen travel from eight african countries, including south africa, but not from the roughly three dozen other countries that have omicron cases. the head of the u.n. slammed bans such as these as travel apartheid. given the u.s. is imposing strict testing requirements for international travelers and given that omicron is here in 15 states, do you think it's time to lift the bans on travel from south african countries? >> jake, that ban was done at a time when we were really in the dark. ...

To self—isolate on the way back for four days, and that�*s four days lost of pay, she doesn�*t get paid. and it�*s those sorts of concerns that are worrying the travel industry. we believe this would be a significant setback for demand this winter, real impacts on christmas. i think we'll see people now cancelling or postponing travel plans. and for a sector that hasn't had any revenue for 18 months, give or take a few months over the summer period, it's really significant indeed. the airlines do not make money in the winter, and so we've got a really difficult stretch ahead of us now....

Where this new variant goes, is that a big issue we're ignoring? those are startling numbers at a time when we're trying to tamp down the overall number. >> sure. i mean, the biggest problem we've had during this pandemic is that people have lost trust in the government, right? people have lost confidence that we're capable of keeling with the covid pandemicfectively. so the problem that i see is we can't have one set of rules for the border, the land border, and then say at the same time we're being so strict with testing requirements for legal travelers and for the citizens themselves. so we...

Again that we're not, we're not internally consistent, that we are not applying sort of -- neil: no, i know what you're saying, doctor, and that's what i was trying to raise with dr. fauci. i understand what he's saying, a separate issue for which i have no kohl, back and forth on that, but the fact of the matter is you've got thousands of individuals on the border who have contracted the virus, we are policing all the airports to make sure that not so much as a single person comes into this country with omicron, then it makes a moot point of everything you're doing at the airports, right? >> ...