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No matter how much testosterone suppression drugs he takes, he will always be a biological male and have the advantage. it's horrible. the statement for women then is you do not matter, what you do is not important, and little girls are goingng to be thrown under the bus by all of it. he will be destroying women swimming. >> sean: my next question for you is young women who push back can be believed, social media blowback can be great. but ifex you look to moms across america, moms of athletes or you looked to pro athletes or olympic athletes who competed in the sports as women to stand up for...

Women but overall. i don't necessarily like looking at any one particular athlete. there will be some instances where there are anomalies but it is clear that men have an advantage over women and why it's separate. >> julie: that's how it starts off when you start as a swimmer before you get to the ivy league level you are obviously separated by gender and age for a reason. thomas previously competed at a man at penn for two full seasons. most recently in 201. the ncaa rules indicate that transgender players have to partake in one year of testosterone suppression before they can compete as wom...

Speed. we crunched numbers. here are leah thomas's numbers versus the women's team. 2 1/2 seconds faster on the 200 free. 16 seconds faster in the 500. those 1:05 on the 1650. how does it stack up against the best female swimmers in america? the women swimming records on the right. the longer you are in the pool the more your ability to swim fast is diminished. one year of testosterone suppression is not enough to be sufficient. because of that women are suffering who are on these teams, jimmie. >> i don't feel we're wrong in saying that. what i'm frustrated by is the intolerance of this debat...

What they are saying is clear. we don't bejudge anybody's choice to be whatever gender they want to be but this goes and strikes at the very heart of women's athletics and they also said where are all these feminists committed to title ix. suddenly you have a biological man parachuting in threatening to set all-time records. it is just wrong. and applauds to them for speaking out. >> dana: where in the world are they? >> bill: ncaa policy has a rule right now one year testosterone suppression. now they are saying maybe it has to be two because the quote from the doctor is that one year trans w...