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Secret service not to mag people who had firearms because he could speak to them, have a better rally, and then send them to the capitol armed is really the undisputed stunner. >> i would add a layer to that, clint, which is all the talk about the oath keepers, hearing the word proud boy, closer to the planning of the january 6th rally, when mr. giuliani would be around. members of those groups are already facing charges of seditious conspiracy. do you think this testimony winds in? >> i absolutely do and there are two parts, we had seen from the documentary footage and evidence over the last ...

Of the saudi crown prince, the material we rarely get to hear about as members of the public while the president has shown little interest finding out who is responsible for murdering jamal khashoggi. "thetimes" reports they are sifting through years of the text communications that the national security agency routinely intercepted and stored. included in that material was reportedly a phone conversation the year before jamal khashoggi was murdered in which the crown prince told an aid that if jamal khashoggi could not be brought to saudi arabia but enticement or force he personally would go a...

Search warrant at his home. so they were there for that purpose pursuant to a usual protocol of going at 6:00 a.m. for a number of reasons to make sure the person is at home, to make sure there's a minimum of disruption to the neighborhood and minimized the potential of danger. and they were there to look for evidence as well as arresting him. as you said, it was laid out why they needed to do it this way. because he had been indicted for obstruction of justice and lying, including lies about whether or not he had had text communications. part of the reason for that lie, i understand, is to ma...

To lie. what does the indictment say, mimi, that would lead you to believe otherwise? >> chris, first of all, i mean, the fact that he's still claiming he didn't lie or if he did lie it wasn't about material things, is so just belied by this indictment. mueller does a great job, of course, of spelling out. he said he had no e-mail, no text communications with persons one or two. and then he details the actual e-mails or text messages. so, you know, he's contradicted by hard evidence that doesn't lie, can't lie, can't really be questioned. for him to claim this as immaterial, i mean, it's so ob...

Made a criminal referral to the justice department. >> laura: it shouldn't matthew axelrod, i might've missed his testimony, shouldn't he be called to testify on capitol hill about this? if that's actually how it went down? >> sure. i don't doubt that there are a number of officials. i don't believe axelrod made that telephone call on his own. i don't doubt that he didn't discuss the matter with sally yates. i don't doubt that there are emails and other text communications surrounding the call because that me just say this. i worked 35 years and ran the corruption squad for a number of those y...