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Who say the i.r.s. scandal is the most serious scandal right now, and if you ask tea party folks it goes up to 95%. they feel that their liberties are being violated by this government right now. so it's pretty partisan. i don't see any damage really to obama's base, and in the fox poll when they -- people were asked, do you think it would have affected the election, it's pretty strong, over 60% say they don't think it would have had any effect if the scandals had been known about before the election. jon: i can see why the i.r.s. thing tops the list. maybe most americans don't think that the ...

Mr. miller, given the time considerations, was not able to prepare written testimony. >> can you imagine if someone went to the rs on april 15 and said i can't occur by paperwork. the irs would be preparing punitive damages to not only get back what you owe them, but also penalize you for wasting their time and not filing on time. we are hearing from a lot of these groups and a lot of people who say that they have been targeted by the irs. think of the thousands of people they wouldn't even dream of coming forward because they were targeted further. the irs has to do its job. that is understoo...

What you make of it all? >> and must be really nice to have your cake and eat it too. she gave testimony and defended herself and claimed that she did nothing wrong. she said it repeatedly. at the same time, she invoked her fifth amendment right not to incriminate herself and refused to answer any questions. it is really kind of -- she had it both ways. but this whole scandal, these irs officials make it so easy to despise these people. i mean, they come forward and they talk about how difficult it is, how hard their job is, how many employees they have, how much work they have to go through i...

Sorry. jenna: what makes you think you can trust the information coming now from the irs? >> well, we're concerned about that but i have to say my letters were explicit. we asked for information on precisely these matters and frankly they didn't, the letters were unresponsive and frankly poor responses for what we had asked. i accused mr. miller of lying by omission. that when they found out about these things and they both claim they found out, you know, during the time that i sent the letters, when they found out about these things they had an obligation to come to us and say, yes, we found ...

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