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For us was finding a google search that says, how do you fake a mental illness? he had done that ahead of time, so that went to premeditation and planning. that's different from this case where all of the search, as grim, as grizzly as they are, seem to be after the fact. >> there was that police report filed back in 2014, where she had told police that he had threatened to kill her. >> so, that was actually filed before they were married, and they went on to continue that relationship, by the way, not unprecedented that there would be domestic violence and the relationship would continue, to ...

Tonight on your show even have noted, most of those go to how do you get rid of a body, what do i have to do, et cetera, et cetera? they do not go to motive or intent or planning. and that's where if you wanted to prove a first degree murder case or a second degree murder case, you have to prove some kind of premeditation and intent to kill. we don't know what the cause of death was. we could say homicide and the d.a. believes there was probably evidence of a homicide. but we don't know what that is. if someone points the gun and pulls the trigger, you can deem that's an intentional, premedita...

Yeah. so disturbing. >> i mean, the challenges here are that, you know, you've got, that smith case where he killed both his first wife and second wife and kept moving around the country. that was one fbi agent, bob, who would not let go of that case. that's why it is going to trial again this being. if you look at the gail cats case. the renowned doctor who lived on the upper east side. when she disappears, he doesn't report her missing. you see some similar themes coming up. another investigator, andy, wouldn't let go of that case. came back to it years later and found records that he had a ...

When you put all this together and look at the google searches. it's extraordinary. but without the body, it's a challenge. but they certainly can get a conviction for, if not first degree, then second degree murder, even without a body. >> john, that's one of the things when he did the google search about -- i want to get the actual wording about -- can you be charged without a body. that was a google search at 1:10 p.m. right after hacksaw, best tool to dismember. the answer is -- i googled that -- yes, you can be charged. >> and the answer in massachusetts is the first case that the state o...