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As you pointed out he doesn't have actual knowledge so he just says what feels right to him. and especially what he thinks is in his personal interest. your other guest was pointing out that he is replacing america with himself. and people who support him support him rather than the country. and i think that's also exactly right. like many strong men the con he has works because he identifies himself with something they love, in this case america. as long as they have this idea he is america, he represents america, he literally wraps himself in the flag, which he's done, then it doesn't matter...

In the president's ear and have him change his mind on this, or is it already too late? is there a way to mitt game sig of the con consequences going forward? >> there's potential to mitigate. we've seen it happen in the past where he has reversed course or he has softened his language, which has allowed the defense department, state department, to then begin to take actions to -- to help the situation. >> what do we do in the future, evelyn, when we need help again fighting against isis? >> well, i think it's going to be really hard, katy, to convince kurds or other forces to work with us, to...

Withholding of $400 million in military aid to a country that is under attack by the russians. you have the compromise of the particularly classified server in to white house. i don't know if that's illegal or not. it's pretty ugly because it looks like a cover up. the third thing just to answer your question here is it looks like an ambassador may have been fired because she wasn't going along with the con. and that's a piece of it we need to know a lot more about. and again, if this ambassador, was fired because she didn't go along with what rudy giuliani wanted, number one that's appalling ...

Pattern here and it's not a disputed fact pattern, it's a really ugly fact pattern. there's one piece, chris, though, that we need to know more about and i think we'll learn more about next week. you had the apparent withholding of $400 million in military aid to a country under attack by the russians. you have the compromise of the particularly classified server in the white house. i don't know if that's illegal or not. it's pretty ugly because it looks like a coverup. the third thing just to answer your question here, it looks like an ambassador may have been fired because she wasn't going a...

Expectation and it really speaks to what steve was saying at the end there about his mindset is thissa is a transaction and any transaction i'm going to put on the table whatever i can to get the deal i want. and i'm going to bring to that table any pressure that i can to get the deal that i -- to get the con -- confirmed again in that clip where he goes, look, i got a lot of power here. i can put pressure on china. and then to tweet out i have an absolute right, which president in the history of this country has declared to have an absolute right to do anything? to think about yourself and yo...