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Kaepernick privately with the president, trying to change his view on things like that? i'm just trying to give the devil's advocate view here, if there is one. >> the devil's advocate view that addressing things like prison reform, those are important stories. the idea or at least the premise of the idea was an okay one, but if we have not learned from history both recent and past why you don't put a camera on kanye west in realtime, you know, we just had one a couple of weekends ago on snl. we saw why ckanye is a bit risk. back with katrina, we all learned that kanye will kanye. he will take...

Guarantee that there are not winners and losers under new tax laws, but benefits balanced and shared by all americans. >> conroy told "the new york times" after that prayer, a paul ryan staffer came down and said, we are upset with this prayer, you are getting too political. and that ryan himself then told him, padre, you just got to stay out of politics. joining me now, charlie pierce, writer at large at esquire and kristi mcgrier. charlie, you're already shaking your head. why? >> well, i just don't think there's anything more paul ryan can screw up in this job. firing the chaplain? i -- i -...

Laws, but benefits balanced and shared by all americans. >> conroy told "the new york times" after that prayer, a paul ryan staffer came down and said, we are upset with this prayer, you are getting too political. and that ryan himself then told him, padre, you just got to stay out of politics. joining me now, charlie pierce, writer at large at esquire and kristi mcgrier. charlie, already shaking your head. why? >> well, i just don't think there's anything more paul ryan can screw up in this job. firing the chaplain? i -- i -- this is unprecedented to me. i go back, by the way, in event of epi...

Mr. mattis didn't even want congressional chaplains. i'm starting to think he had a pretty good idea. >> there is a question about what exactly is a congressional chaplain for. let me give the devil's advocate argument here. you know, it should be a nonpartisan position. that does seem like a pretty clear kind of needling. and if you think that the house chaplain is using his position to kind of subtly orate against your legislative priorities, i can understand being angered by that. >> are you asking me this question? >> yes. >> i think it's the silliest thing i've ever heard. the guy is a pr...

>> conroy told "the new york times" after that prayer, a paul ryan staffer came down and said, we are upset with this prayer, you are getting too political. and that ryan himself then told him, padre, you just got to stay out of politics. joining me now, charlie pierce, writer at large at esquire and kristi mcgrier. charlie, already shaking your head. why? >> well, i just don't think there's anything more paul ryan can screw up in this job. firing the chaplain? i -- i -- this is unprecedented to me. i go back, by the way, in event of episodes like this, i go back to what would jimmy do. mr. ma...