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Able do that. >> that clause is actually no longer valid. >> reading between the lines, a large part has to do with tension between dianne feinst n feinstein, which heads me to ask you, david the report and for feinstein yesterday and the florida senate reading portions of the report on the floor. she has been on the intelligence committee for quite some time, when do you think she knew about the program when she began the report? >> yes. >> or years ago? >> well, the question of how early she was briefed is not, has not been made clear. the intelligence agencies, cia and the dni have been say...

Whether or not someone should be prosecuted. they are deflecting to the justice department on that. the sect e second is whether these tactics were effective. >> right. >> and they're saying, they're also avoiding that question and in doing that, they're trying to cut through the debate of the infighting that's happening and just stick to one line. the question is whether or not that's a sustainable approach. >> richard. >> i think it's also a porl question we have to ask. this was a morally fraug program. that was a program. i think it's important to understand that. right now we have a moral...

I could -- sexual abecause but also injuries and death. in this report, there appears to be far more injuries than you indicated in your testimony and there were at least two deaths. so i go es the question is, sir who is telling the truth? >> well, i was telling the truth. i was describing the program that was in existence at the time i viewed the testimony. the program that had i think at that time 97 people in its custody. the two deaths, although they happened in cia custody were not in the zrims. nafbl, i told the members the reason we started the program i was telling them about is becau...

Briefings if 2002 and 2009. rockefeller says the briefings he received offered little or no insight into the agency's programs. richard eng em. >> well, i think that's one of the parts of this, that is not really debatable. this was a program. it was a despicable program. it's a program that when you read about, you are sickened to hear about this. and the sexual humiliation of these people and when you debate whether it worked or whether it didn't work, but to have a lot of politicians now playing babe in the woods, i think is a dangerous process here. this was a program that went on for abou...

Said to keep details of the program hidden from former secretary of state colin powell because he may quote blow his stack if he were to be briefed on what's going on in 2003, the chief of interrogations threatened to quit, writing in an e-mail, this is a train wreck waiting to happen and i intend to get off the train before it happens. the five-year investigation disputes claims the enhanced interrogation stopped attacks and led to information that located osama bin laden in pakistan. >> the committee found that the cia's coercive interrogation techniques were not an effective means of acquir...