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but wake the, i caught myself there. [laughter] wake the hell up america. republican voters are behind this guy, more than they ever have been. the general election is starting now, we better wake up to that. >> ron desantis is probably learning that, in a very bitter way. this was the darling of the republican party a couple of years ago, had some big name republican backers, at least if they were not publicly willing to get behind him, thought that he would be able to derail trump. he has learned the hard way, or perhaps the obvious way, this is not going to happen for him this time around. >> yeah, i mean look, desantis ran to the right of trump, he was trump without the charisma. >> but why did that not work? because it's not authentic, or it's because? you would think that the base that wants so much red meat from a donald trump would go more to somebody who is to the right of trump. >> well, good point. >> in theory. >> in theory. i mean, i think the idea that trumpism is about policy is pretty wild, right.

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what he's going to spend the next 11 months talking about. his own freedom. >> here's where i disagree with my friend, alicia. i don't think the most complex part of this coalition is republicans. the most complex component for democrats, are democrats. your problem is, with republicans, is it with republicans, your own democrats are saying biden's two old, oh my god, what do we do? i mean, you've got to shore that up before you go out and pitch to the country that this is the way forward. because the rest of the country is looking at it like well, half the folks in the back room don't want him. so, last poll i saw, he was either tied or losing to trump. so, that's not just republicans. let's be, in my view, real about what the challenge is here. you've got to take your home first, right? how do democrats come to the understanding and the realization that there is no

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okay. we've got to sit down at the table and cut this deal. what is it about the deal cutting that republicans in that caucus think what they want is going to change the game and bring democrats to the table? >> they don't think it's going to bring democrats to the table. they don't care. there's a lot of hard-liners in the republican conference and the house who aren't very interested in passing bills. they just want to be seen by their voters, by fox news, and by daily caller as people who are gumming up the works. there used to be, when you were in office and you talk to republicans at democrats, it was that government had to work a bit differently. now, you have a lot of folks and lots of strong voices in the republican party that think it shouldn't work at all. that is bad, right? so, that is what johnson is figuring out right now. he is 100-day -- 80 days. he is learning that, it's going to continue to learn that the hard way. mccarthy learned that the hard way.

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when push came to shove, they voted how they did. and i will say, the thing, there's a lot of kind of concern that he is going to have this motion to vacate at some point. you have people like marjorie taylor greene kind of throwing that out there. chip saying we're gonna interested in it. but the big difference is that people really hated mccarthy personally. it wasn't just that he couldn't, that he worked with democrats, is that they really dislike him. they dislike them for so many different reasons there's no way, when you go to one person, it's for this reason, this person dislike for this reason. you can't clean that up. there's no way to do that. and something that mike johnson has done, has not done that mccarthy did, if mccarthy was talking out of both sides of his mouth. he was telling conservatives behind closed doors they will be able to get a bill that had what they wanted, and he was going to fight for. it meanwhile, he was telling democrats in the white house something completely different. that is one of the reasons why he got ousted. >> and speaker johnson, i mean, speaker johnson is one of the

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the question i never once asked my soldiers? what's your political party? it never got brought up. i think about you know, first session, making maryland the first day in this country that has a service year option for all of our high school graduates, where they now have a chance to have a year of service to the state of maryland. part of this because we are big believers in experiential learning. we believe in aren't financial cushions. we believe in the workforce development, workforce training, but you know a big reason why we wanted to get that done and get it done quick? because i believe deeply that service will save us. that in this time, in this political divisiveness and vitriol, that if we can be a society that gets to know each other again, and that can work on projects together, that can break down these lines and stop worrying about this idea of where the idea came from that is it a good idea, then, we are going to be a society that actually advances in a true improper way, and will not honors our basic humanity and our basic decency. >> you talked about houses of

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what is it about all of us now that we seem to lose sight of each other's humanity, and the easier thing to do is to lash out? i mean, you are a democrat, i'm a republican, so not supposed to like you organically, right? well, no. there's this guy i know for a long time, we work together, we have sparred and disagreed on things. but i'm not shortchanging your humanity. what do you see happening, culturally, that our politics is driving in a way that makes us look at each other as less than? >> i think we have a political system that's driving people from even having the opportunity to get to know each other. to get to be able to see their own humanity, right? where you know, i think about it where my training came from the military. i join the military when i was 17 years old. i wasn't old enough to sign the paperwork. my mom had to sign the paperwork for me. but she was more than happy. she was like, whatever y'all need. but i think about where when i was leading soldiers, you know

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kicking off the gear in as one report puts it, hard right republicans are suffering from buyers remorse when it comes to speaker mike johnson. they are unhappy with the bipartisan spending deal he made with senate democrats, that would keep the government open. and as a result, they're threatening to, yeah, you figured it out, acts him from the speakership. if this scenario sounds familiar to you, well, it's because that's exactly what happened to kevin mccarthy last october. after he made a similar deal to avert a government shutdown. past is prologue, and here we go again. we're so happy to have eugene daniels back at the table with us. so, eugene, on a serious tip here, this is about the nation's business. you have a political party that cannot identify a way to govern. the speaker has found that path.

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worship. it's also seen state capitals across this country receive bomb threats, just in the past week. six state capitals, you had wednesday morning, you had georgia, kentucky, michigan, mississippi, montana, maine. that's actually going back to january 3rd. tucked out the conversation you had with your intelligence officers. that's, in some ways, i think you can argue that it's the easier conversation to have in the conversation you need to have of their own kids. my kids are younger than yours. there is no way to have that conversation with them in a way that is age-appropriate. your kids have access to the internet. they know what is going on. what are the conversations your having at home? how do you put this in context for them? >> it's remarkably difficult. and i think not even just for my kids, who for the process of the past year, have had to go through this remarkable transition of now having you know, having a father in elected office. but just for them in general. with them with their friends. to see the images that are

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president. he's already laying out, when a man tells you he wants to be somebody's retribution, and he wants to be a dictator, the natural thing that flows from that if he doesn't get his way, if he doesn't like the outcome or the result of things, is going to be violence. so, the question is, how do we as citizens cowherd ourselves against that? how do we protect each other from that? because it's on us, ultimately. we can't sit back and that markup folks around the street because they matter us. this is not how this gets to play out, in my view. >> i think simone's point you made in the intro in as much as there is the threat of violence itself, there is the threat, then, that that does to our democracy. and the way that that gets in the way of governance. so, thinking, for example, something we learned this week that about the third of jack smith's budget is going to security! because of a number of threats. those are taxpayer dollars. you can't talk about wanting to

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conversations. >> a more complicated question than moving from baltimore. >> [laughter] you know, every time, every single time we truly have a conversation with a local or a state leader, a governor, or a mayor, it's just so different than speaking to a member of congress. [laughter] it really is! >> it is. >> like, okay! but congress thing will be figuring it out, not gonna happen [laughter] -- is that how you feel sometimes? that you have seen state leadership and local leaders across the country be able to come together, in a bipartisan way, and necessarily get things done, i think it's a split screen from what we're seeing on capitol hill. >> you know, it's funny. i remember someone said to me like, what made you want to run for getting into politics? i said i didn't. i wanted to be the governor, because it is different, right? i mean, i think about in our first legislative session, we introduced ten bills. and we ended up going not just

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