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International terrorism. >> so, if none of these have anything to do with national terrorism, how do they then exclude saudi arabia, where coincidentally, the president's business does business, and other muslim nations that are not on this list? i mean, where did this selection process find its way of deciding who's banned? >> well, i think that the writer mortaza hussein from "the intercept" put it succinctly when he wrote that these seven nations were the low-hanging fruit of countries that most people know. they have very few people who come to the united states and that it would be very e...

Happen. >> commuting from 35 years down to 7. a court convicted manning of steeling secret government documents and providing them to wikileaks. we have investigative journalist and co-founding editor of the intercept and cnn military analyst and former commanding general for europe in the 7th army. thanks to both of you for being here. glenn, i know that you have called for this. for the release of chelsea manning for years. you have been lobbying for this. what was your reaction when you heard the news? >> well i was thrilled. it's by far the largest sentence for somebody in the united state...

U.s. intelligence officials. some democratic officials are treating it as different ini have the. a long way from the often justified system. the pulitzer prize winning reporter who broke the story said many people are making an old mistake. and he warns, a anonymous claims linked to newspapers about what they believe do not constitute proof and do not constitute reliable evidence that substitutes for actual evidence that can be reviewed. have we really not learned this lesson yet? joining me, glen green wald, editor of the intercept. good evening to you. how would you like to see it applied? ...

The campaign trail, this sort of pressure in opposite directions. jeremy scahill. everyone should go check out this incredible series at the intercept. thank you so much. >> thank you. up next, would either of the republican front-runners truly be a better president than hillary clinton? i'll ask a republican presidential candidate just that right after the break. you never know when it'll be your moment to shine. so don't trust your smile to any regular toothpaste. improved crest 3d white brilliance removes 5 times more stains than the red box. try the whole collection for a smile that gets...

The stunning expose reported frout a series of documents leaked from a source within the intelligence community gives us a rare behind-the-scenes look into the strategy that helped bring us to this point. joining me now, jeremy scahill, founder of "the intercept." it's an incredible set of articles. and really in some ways you kind of knew some of the stuff, but it's this really granular look at what the strategy has been and what the policy's been. bracketing for a moment the deep moral and constitutional problems with this targeted killing, one of the things that comes through is this has no...