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And the legal team and his supporters is that the hole idea of obstruction accrime, that the president could be guilty of obstruction is one of their talking points, will be a legal position that they will go for. here is rudy also talking -- also talking to "the mill" newspaper about just this. >> if a campaign gets that material from them, either indirectly which they did through the media or directly even, as long as they are not involved in the hacking, i don't see where those people would be liable. >> so i think you can expect to hear a lot more of that in the coming weeks and months as ...

On an unseasonably warm day, beverly was easing back into work. she remembers brenda telling her she was going to show a house not far from her home. the potential buyers were offering cash. >> she really didn't want to go. she was tired. she was hoping to get a fast close. if it's a cash close, you can close it quicker. >> this was an every day run of the mill showing? >> a no brainer. >> beverly headed off to show the property to a young couple. she told her husband he'd be home for dinner. >> you didn't hear from her? >> no. >> carl says he worried, beverly had given him the address, so he ...

Be almost run of the mill for what we see today. >> and it resonates. my takeaway from that is it reminds you of the ad the trump campaign released, just fear mongering over the border showing migrants basically portraying them as people trying to storm the border as invaders. it does resonate a lot and it just shows how history repeats itself. >> jon meacham, thank you so much. are you going to break out the cigar? >> i've got it right here. >> are we allowed to show it? >> i'm trying to get them to sponsor the program. >> i don't know about that, but thank you for being here in the studio. i...

Magnanimous of governor dukakis. >> it set a new standard for what you could do in a campaign and win. and an ad that was pretty apparently racist being aired on your behalf. >> the ad was a very small buy in the maryland suburbs because the press would see it on their -- it was an early case of earned media for free media for an ad that was made. it was covered far more than it ever ran in the country. >> it seems like a depressing statement, natasha, that this ad, that we just saw, seems to be almost run of the mill for what we see today. >> and it resonates. my takeaway from that is it remi...

Mueller had true evidence of what had happened. he questioned them and they refused to come clean and he -- and he severed any further relationship with them. i think laura is spot-on. and the cohen deal exposes a whole sort of welter of personal, commercial and political connections between trump and russia. we're not exactly sure what is the point of acute vulnerability that he obviously was so concerned about in lying throughout the campaign. but there's a lot of griss for the mill. we have family members involved here. we have the lured allegations of the steele dossier. his imperial ambit...