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Same. >> media loves to talk about it only when it comes to president trump and they're been doing it for almost a year when there are real issues with some of the activities that the democrats took place. >> sarah, in fact, you know that's not true. for many months you and the president and his team denied any contacts with the russians. just in the last couple of weeks we've seen the contacts revealed and that's why don junior will have to appear before the senate and that's why jared kushner is appearing. this is not a made-up story. >> so who is jared kushner and what will he be saying thi...

Spier, former editor in chief of the new york observer, a publisher that jared kushner used to own. were you hired by him? >> yeah, yeah. >> so you worked very closely with him. what in is experience is relevant from what you saw there to what he might be doing in government now? it's a bit of a mystery to some people. >> i think the biggest thing is that he assumes that a lot of his past experience is directly transferable to whatever he's working on at the moment. the observer translated into jared taking practices that were pretty common in commercial real estate and trying to apply them to...

You saw of jared kushner that indicated that he was either a good businessperson or somebody who can conduct himself in a way that he's been given assignments to conduct himself in today. >> i think it's unclear. most of his experience was structured around transactional finance and to some extent learning how to cost cut in a business. some of that stuff is absolutely applicable to government operations, especially in cases where there's excess. but for the most part a lot of what he's being tasked with really isn't relevant. it would be hard to sort of make an argument that experience in com...

There was a guy that was the president of "the observer" and jared and i would have a weekly meeting and talk during the week. for the most part he would swoop in when he was interested in a story or something, but he wasn't running the business on a day-to-day basis, he was mostly running the family's real estate business. >> what's your sense of what his feelings were toward donald trump when he was working there? >> i think they had a good relationship. i wonder if the current situation might be testing it because i don't think that up to this point they had really worked together in any di...

President trump's birtherism claims and i guess how "the observer" was covering it. can you tell us about that? >> jared and i were going back and forth about how the paper should cover trump. one of the things that jared said to me whenever i refused to tone down the coverage or make it gratuitously positive was if you spent more time with him, you would really like him. i said, well, jared, it doesn't matter because that wouldn't affect the paper's coverage. i said i have to be honest with you, there are things that your father-in-law has done that i find deeply disturbing. he said like what...