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He always stood in the back of the room, you know. >> at what point did he start to question the government's role in people's lives? >> it was probably after we moved here to the ranch. why is he needing a contract agreeing to all of their terms and conditions? why do you have to tell me to ranch? i think i can manage this myself. >> lavoy had been raising cattle on federal land and like many ranchers he was frustrated by the regulations passed down by the federal government. regulations intended to protect the land and endangered species from overgrazing. but for lavoy they felt ever changin...

He always stood in the back of the room, you know. >> at what point did he start to question the government's role in people's lives? >> it was probably after we moved here to the ranch. why is he needing a contract 0 agreeing to all of their terms and conditions. why do you have to tell me to ranch. i think i can manage this myself. >> lavoy had been raising cattle on federal land and like many ranchers he was frustrated by the regulations passed down by the federal government. regulations intended to protect the land and endanger species from overgrazing. but for lavoy they felt ever change....

Sanctioned. i mean, from the beginning when we've talked about this, i said the hypothesis we should be testing is because each of these conversations involve sanctions, was the sanctions. that's quid pro quo for what? elevating mr. trump into the west wing and day by day, we have these ridiculous stories and, you know, if you were to try to think of a tv show, instead of the "west wing" we have something like "the ranch," all apologies to same el rot. this elliot. this is a disaster and direct evidence and different from the evidence we've had before. they want connections and collusion, we h...

Cameras were rarely allowed inside of his home but recently they got it exclusive to her. north of santa barbara we are on 688 acres of the home. the ranch in the sky. how often with the president, peer? >> he bought the ranch in 1974. one of his eight years was spent here at the ranch. it truly was the western lighthouse. was this exactly how they left it. the home looks like it did the last time it was here. we don't know that they played it very often but we do know that they celebrate things given here. he said he never wanted to

Cameras were rarely allowed inside of his home but recently they got it exclusive to her. north of santa barbara we are on 688 acres of the home. the ranch in the sky. how often with the president, peer? >> he bought the ranch in 1974. one of his eight years was spent here at the ranch. it truly was the western lighthouse. was this exactly how they left it. the home looks like it did the last time it was here. we don't know that they played it very often but we do know that they celebrate things given here. he said he never wanted to