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>> did you literally pray? did you go to a church? >> no, i didn't. no, because i asked for help, which is a form of prayer. if i say, i can do anything on on my own, i can conquer anything, that's nonsense. like this guy says in the film, i say i'm weak, powerless. i have no power. i don't know anything. the priest says. that's humility. i knew a psychiatrist in london who was a priest. i went to him to have a little guidance. not therapy. he said, why do you want to be a catholic? he said, i need center in my life. he said, it's a big deal. i said, i feel a little lost. he said, join the hum...

I'm not agnostic. i know you're catholic. i believe in god, the -- >> but just to clear up. on this fleem, from the film and then we'll pick you back up. >> we're always look for proof, certainly. question is, what on earth would we do if we found it? >> we. >> oh, yes. the time when we experience a total loss of hate, days, months, when i don't know what the hell i believe in god or the devil, santa claus or tinkerbell, and yet there's something that keep scraping away inside me. seems like god's fingernail. finally i can take no more of the pain, then i get shoved out from the darkness, back...

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And all that. that's enough to terrify anyone. but -- and there are shots in the film where you see collin o'donoghue react to the horrors of life, the hell on earth. everyone lives it. it makes you open your debate about life, the debate whether the devil is -- >> but you believe there is a devil? >> well, we have a preference by saying that -- father gary is a jesuit priest, an exorcist. >> he was your expert? >> yes. he checked my latin, which it was great. what did you think? >> i thought it was great. gwynn you've forgot continue all. >> i said, do you believe the devil exists? he says, y...