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Speech, this is a man who shows up to work every day really doing this for the duty of the country. he's not enjoying his job, people around him tell me. how long this relationship can stay together, i think is a big question. something that everyone in both washington and the country should care about. >> let me play skeptic for a second. i wonder are we being spun by people close to the aides of the president? as a kind of like covering maneuver? to be like, well, it's not us, believe us, we're trying to keep this guy in line. >> well, i mean, everyone around kelly speaks to his character. a...

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And it's not just a think on top of the thing he's doing. >> right. >> while he's trying to get health care passed. it's the thing he's doing. >> when he talks about health care, it's hard for me to say he's even lying about the policies because i don't think he knows what is in these bills. it's irrelevant to him. but this stuff is really relevant to him and it's primal. your analogy of talk radio is right because he's zooming in on -- >> feedback? >> yes, these intense feelings. look, people see wounded soldiers. it's horrifying. people feel admiration, they feel guilt, the precarious fear a...

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