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Is trying to make. that the president has the middle class in his mind. in some ways, t a tough message to make because these are part of the country that have been hit pretty hard by the economy. unemployment in ohio has been doing pretty well, but generally pqáq are places where a lot of manufacturing jobs have been lost and a lot of people have been struggling with housing, jobs, and so on. so he's saying -- as chris was saying, things aren't perfect, but i'm thinking about you. you can't trust the other guy to be thinking about your interests when he gets up every morning. >> can i just q...

You know, bucking the trend against foreclosures. >> uma: now you have more foreclosures taking place in your state. that is presenting a challenge for you. >> things aren't perfect. we have bumps in the road. and utah is not immune to the downturn and what we call the great recession. we have pockets in our resort areas like in the southern utah portion we call utah's dixie, where the sub prime interest loan was prolific. so, we have a glut on the market from sub prime mortgage hol -- homes and by and large, the market is improving, house sales are improving. new construction starts will foll...

Things aren't perfect. we're still a nation fighting two wars, but when we travel around the country, the excitement and the possibility are palpable, and i think that's because of the president, but i think it's also because of our secretary of state. >> larry: how tough is it for you when a man or a woman is lost in battle? >> it's the hardest thing. i think one of the hardest things that the president said he had to do this year was to greet the caskets of fallen soldiers that evening to, you know, sit down with parents who buried their child. when we went to ft. hood, meeting with the fami...

>> larry: it was so bitter, rather bitter in the campaign with hillary when they were going at each other. >> yeah. it seems so long ago. >> larry: how are they doing now together? >> they're great. hillary clinton is an amazing secretary of state. i mean, she would have been an amazing president. she was an amazing attorney. she's a phenomenal professional. and she's proven to be a tremendous asset in so many ways. so the relationship is strong. they share the same views in terms of international policy and approach. we're seeing the outcome of that on the international stage. i think, you kn...

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