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Flat. all of the nonsense about hearsay evidence, there is considerable direct evidence and it ill behooves a president or his partisans to say you don't have enough direct evidence when the reason we don't have more direct evidence is the president has ordered everybody in the executive branch not to cooperate with congress in the impeachment inquiry, something unprecedented in american history and is a context of congress by itself. he's ordered everybody not to participate. the only testimony are from public spirited patriotic people in the cia, the pentagon, the white house itself who came...

Branch of government, the courts, to resolve differences like this but you have not tried to go to the courts to compel these witnesses to testify. if something as grave and momentous as impeachment, why not. >> well first of all we have gone to the courts -- >> not on this issue. >> we have gone to the courts started with mcgahn and various other people. >> but not on ukraine and impeachment inquiry. >> and what we have found is that the courts take months and months. but we don't need to go to the courts. the article 1 power is the sole power to try impeachment and should not be and has neve...

Now the courts are away to try to enforce this but much too slow of a way. >> well, you told cnn one month ago that you wanted to do this thoroughly, saying, quote, it if it's going to be done, it haez got to be done right and whatever time it requires it will take. so what changed? >> nothing has changed. >> you said the courts would be too slow. >> except for the fact that we have gotten all of this extremely persuasive evidence on the blackmail against ukraine to try to interfere in our election, the fact that this evidence is uncontested and overwhelming. and notice the republican -- we ha...