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The documents that say he was this lion in winter but that is not what the rest of the documents apparently say. the rest of the documents demonstrate he was very clearly directing al qaeda throughout his time even when he was in hiding. >> bob, when i talked with the intelligence community this week, particularly about this question of misjudgment, they used a phrase i hadn't heard before, they said political successes and intelligence failures. what they were saying is, look, some of those times when the administration throws us under the bus and says, well, they didn't -- particularly they ...

Would come back in full force, but it is still believed by the people watching these negotiation very closely that that's not enough that the iranians still need do more to move forward. >> supposedly, according to reports, the french are taking a harder line than the u.s. is in terms of holding iran's feet to the fire. director brennan and i also discussed at some length the question of the claims by the administration during the re-election that al qaeda was on the run. here is a look at that exchange. >> didn't you give the american people and the president give the american people a false ...

He is presenting to the president or is he being more realistic when they talk. >> judy? >> i was just going to say, and i'm listening to bob, but i also looked at, as i'm sure you did, he gave a speech to the council of foreign relations the end of last week, he talked about this being the most unstable period since the breakup of the soviet union. he didn't, in what i was hearing, he didn't understate i think the threats out there. >> you know, but he didn't say this in that interview. >> didn't state this in the interview. and when you posed skepticism, he would say, oh, no, that is not tru...

>> no. when we look at al qaeda and look what has happened to al qaeda as the core of al qaeda that was in the area of afghanistan and pakistan, they have taken some really big hits. >> but respectfully, sir, when you were saying this is the decade of al qaeda's demise, i don't think most people thought you meant well, yes, there will be an offshoot called isis which spreads across the middle east. >> this phenomenon that daesh represents right now is a new one. it is one that has grown up in the past two years. >> but it's an offshoot against al qaeda. >> we have done a lot against al qaeda. ...

At root, every great religion has some equivalent of the golden rule, some equivalent of i am my brother's keeper and my sister's keeper and my sister's keeper. i think pope francis is showing himself to be just an extraordinarily thoughtful and soulful messenger of peace and justice. i haven't had a chance to meet him yet, but everything that i have read and everything i have seen from him indicates the degree to which he is trying to remind us of those core obligations. >> but not even the universally popular pope is spared ugly attacks from the right wing, of course, jonathan capehart and o...