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Hossain and mark geragos, author of how the criminal system works and sometimes doesn't. let's just get first impressions. jeff, what do you think? >> i had a contradictory reaction. i thought the jury's verdict was understandable. i'm not sure i would have resolved it the same way, but i certainly wasn't surprised. but i just felt tremendous sadness too. i thought this is a verdict that will -- a lot of people will view with great cynicism and will not reflect well on the american legal system or the american government. so i felt sad about that. but i also felt the jury was very understandab...

Boys, a 19-year-old and 16-year-old. you know, this case you don't just look at the verdict. that's just like looking at the last few minutes of the game. you have to look at the entire sweep of this case and the entire criminal justice system and what it says to parents like me and boys like mine. it says that this is a fight on some level about the politics of brown bodies. in particular, about black, young masculinity. because you cannot separate what name. george zimmerman initially saw. he didn't even know trayvon's name. he had no idea about what he had done in school. he had -- none of ...

In my opinion -- >> but what i don't understand is why -- i'm sorry, you are saying you do not belief race was a factor in this case, or -- because the prosecution went out of their way to not invoke race during the actual trial. >> let me show you again. when they started this jury selection, they started bouncing white women. why did they do that? because they were afraid, in my humble opinion, the prosecution was afraid that the white women were going to view trayvon martin through this prism of, as charles says, a young black male. if this had been a young black female, i don't think it wo...

Are going to be receptive to it. that's the schizophrenia about this case. >> so charles, to you, what is this -- i mean, does this case change anything? what -- can anything come out of this? >> well, it is an amazing focal point, right. i think mark is right in the sense that what makes this such an outlier is that -- it's not just that it is an adult and a child. that's one of them, that the adult is armed and the child is unarmed. there's disproportionate use of force. trayvon martin is using his hands however he's using them. george uses a gun. what we have to understand about that is tha...

I think he has to understand that in america, we see young black men go to jail for far less or far more time for similar type situations. so it's really an intellectual insult for him to say that to people when we all know if things were reversed and 28-year-old trayvon had killed 17-year-old white george zimmerman, he would have been locked up that day, no bond, and good luck. >> so you think the exact opposite is true from what o'mara said? >> of course. i mean -- and no one can deny -- anyone who denies that is being intellectually dishonest. >> the naacp is calling for the justice departm...