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Only the president seems to believe that and the city is an example of the reality on the border. it is complex like it is in many border cities. it's not a lawless hell hole that the president describes. it shows how we need a real, thought out, detailed plan for the border. and how we're not a wall away from fixing the problem. we're going to hear from a local leader in el paso in a few minutes. they'll tell you what the reality is on the ground and what they need. but before that, i want to deal with the muslim congresswoman in minnesota. she gave an unequivocal apology. is that enough to s...

In the 90s they saw a big drop. especially in 1994. that's because they started a new initiative. i want it to make sense in the sequence of this fact check. they had an operation then called hold the line. the idea was to put border patrol agents and vehicles 50 yards apart across the border and that gave them more coverage. later they backed that up with technological advances to give more coverage. more than a decade later 78 miles of fencing was built across the sector in the parts they had the most trouble with coverage. it shows how barriers along with things like technology and manpower...

Mind? is this somebodies who just winging it, improvising? r it? how is he approaching this? >> the long game for him is the same as the short game really. disruption, distraction, always pulling the rug out somebody was just referring to pulling the rug out. that's his play is pulling is the rug out so that nobody knows what to expect, and he is at the center always and everybody's on the end of their seat waiting to see what's going to happen. >> does he know though -- obviously he will say it's the wall, it's the wall. does he have a very specific bottom line on there? is there something --...

Where was debbie hawk? what happened to her? and what happened to the sacred bond that once held three children together? back at the beginning, even the police were confused. >> this case seemed very unusual from the start. >> assigned to the case at the time, california police investigator darren madison along with a king's county d.a. investigator aaron lublew. both had worked other cases here in hanferred, and out among the suburbs in the almonder orchard and dairy farms, but this one did not smell right at all, thought madison. >> it appears she was drug out of her house, obviously, again...

Where was debbie hawk? what happened to her? what happened to the sacred bond that once held three children together? back at the beginning, even the police were confused. >> this case seemed very unusual from the start. >> assigned to the case at the time, police investigator darren madison, along with a kings county d.a. investigator, aaron, both worked other cases here in hanford. out among the suburbs and almond orchards and giant dairy farms that ran across the miles of flat valley floor. but this one did not smell right at all, said madison. >> it appeared she was drug out of the house a...