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You will be completely destitute if you run and lose. you said you will only run if you have strong financial support. i don't plan to slump in a pool that has no water, sensible. and in your book you say of the game of campaigning i actually dread the process. question. should someone run for president who has so many doubts? >> i love campaigning, chris. i think i need to qualify. i don't enjoy what i would call the peripheral of it which is the part you dread. the peripheral is you spend so much of your time defending rather than actually going out and talking about issues that you think wo...

Want to spoil programming by disobeying. >> this is also very important to point out. we're used to thinking of or contemplating that thinking is something we should rely upon. but as you see, even in that explanation, the thinking is distorted. the thinking was set askew by the social circumstances. so beware your thought processes, you have to become aware of where you are, who you are and how your surroundings are affecting you. we just listen to our thoughts and sometimes they're off base. >> this has been compared to nazi activities during world war ii. >> that was the original intents of...

What we're actually doing. and in this case we actually lose our sense of reality. >> one person said they didn't want to spoil programming by disobeying. >> it's bizarre, right? yet if you were in that moment, this is also very important to point out. we're used to thinking of or contemplating that thinking is something we should rely upon. but as you see, even in that explanation, the thinking is distorted. the thinking was set askew by the social circumstances. so beware your thought processes, you have to become aware of where you are, who you are and how your surroundings are affecting yo...

About someone on the other side? >> not always. i go home, when i speak to a chamber group, a business chamber group or a labor group, i say 85%, 90% of what we do in congress shouldn't be about republicans or democrats, ought to be about taking care of our people and our country. when i say that, people in the audience are going like this. they're sick to death of all the partisanship up here. they want us working together for the american people and for our country. >> and what percentage would you say is bipartisan? because a whole lot of the work that gets done every day is bipartisan. >> ...

And more of a blood sport and less and less of a cooperative effort -- >> hang on one second. here's the thing. from his comment i didn't get republican or democrat out of that. but is that a product of working up here, that you automatically assume that when someone gives a criticism that they're talking about someone on the other side? >> not always. i go home, when i speak to a chamber group, a business chamber group or a labor group, i say 85%, 90% of what we do in congress shouldn't be about republicans or democrats, ought to be about taking care of our people and our country. when i say ...