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This very, very national and very public stage. forgive me, you'll hear the choppers overhead, marine one has just landed on the south lawn no too far from where i am which means at any moment the president may come out to head to ohio. this is a president who likes to be on the attack. this is a president who has been, based on my reporting, having conversations on this issue with allies, that george conway has continued to tweet about him and, you know, people wanted to be out there essentially defending kellyanne conway, the president wanted to punch back and so he is. the question, when yo...

And play up how big they are, how they're the biggest ever. he seems to only have one mode, and i think the best explanation is that he just does not have that capability to empathize, to emote, and the ultimate explanation is much worse than that. >> sam, i don't want to pull back from the bone here because i think if you got a kid that has these inabilities, you get the kid evaluated. i'm serious. this is a serious thing. and it's the evidence is in front of all of our eyes. i mean, the khan family, attack on the khan family. >> sure. >> during the convention. before he was elected. the one-...

Stewart there would be a pardon. and we're seeing trump use the pardons aggressively in his presidency. it seems to help if you have conservatives championing your cause, you have a celebrity championing your cause in the case of sylvester stallone and jack johnson. and it helps if you were on "the apprentice" and that was the case for both bloig and martha stewart and there is the thread line also. the president expanded this also. he announced that yes, blagojevich did something stupid but that was too aggressive. and with martha stewart suggesting the punishment didn't fit the crime. this p...

And b, who used it? was it the rebels against the government? the government against the rebels? was it an independent commander gone rogue? was it accidental? there's still a lot of gray in this mix before we get to red lines. >> the president in the white house, unnamed officials have been very careful talking about it that way. one unnamed official given history of assessments related to weapons of mass destruction. it's very important we're able to establish this with sent and able to present information in a way that is airairtight. my next question is what does red line mean? i've been t...

It seems like it had to do with how don mcgahn sat down with mueller for 30 hours. it seems like that -- if we are putting the pieces together he was either being told of the news or was watching it on the cable and live tweeting which is weird when you not watching the same thing. >> here is what the president said that they had nothing to do with the so-called pushing out of don mcgahn. cnn is reporting that when it was learned that don mcgahn sat down with special prosecutors that the president was not happy with that. can we presume that that was part of the calculation here? >> i think th...