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Different facilities that are closed over the coming week. without benghazi, the reaction, i think, would be very different. the political costs of benghazi to the obama administration, as you know, was very, very large. and that is the political context here. >> and, phil, what happens now? does the u.s. wait this out? does the threat go away? at some point the embassies reopen? >> this is fascinating. from someone who once sat in the chair. when we're going to remember from yellow to orange back in '03, '04, '05, we used to sit there and watch the threat matrix drive us, to escalate the thre...

Valuable enough to have produced this threat warning and shut down these embassies. but now, that source of information has been disclosed to the people who were using it and so as an information source, intelligence source because of this leak, it is gone. and, of course, the other side of this it was all political. and right now, there are heightened domestic political considerations around those issues. more than there used to be thanks to edward snowden. and if you think about it, if you want people and politicians to feel better about the immense surveillance power of the united states go...

Different facilities that are closed over the coming week. without benghazi, the reaction, i think, would be very different. the political costs of benghazi to the obama administration, as you know, was very, very large. and that is the political context here. >> and, phil, what happens now? does the u.s. wait this out? does the threat go away? at some point the embassies reopen? >> this is fascinating. from someone who once sat in the chair. when we're going to remember from yellow to orange back in '03, '04, '05, we used to sit there and watch the threat matrix drive us, to escalate the thre...

I argue it has, and we have agreed together that we'll get to the bottom of how that happened. >> if i might say, i think we are vulnerable. intelligence should be used in assessing the safety of our 285 diplomatic missions all over the world. and there should have some precise effect. as of mid august, we know that ambassador stevens was very unhappy with the level of security. and we've seen that testimony. we also know that some improvements were made to the annex. i believe that the security aspect of this is one of the biggest things. i went through hundreds of threat warnings. threat war...

I believe that the security aspect of this is one of the biggest things. i went through hundreds of threat warnings. threat warning after threat warning after threat warning over the last six months. and also the prior events that had taken place. there is no question that benghazi was one of the most difficult places. it should have had much better security, and no one should believe that these militias, who are unarmed, stationed in front of security, are going to do anything other than run when they see people approaching them with guns. >> i want to return to david petraeus, who had to res...