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It's an insult is not to be decided by those saying it, it's those insulted. so simple and eloquent and an important thing to remember as we discuss this, but to the larger part of this, is this a case in your view of the president trying to distract from something else or a case of he can't help himself? or something else? >> yeah. you know, kate, you and i have talked about this on air before, there are two competing theories of donald trump. one, he's playing three dimensional chess at all times, every word utter rance is meant to distract, highlight to something else, move the public, i do...

Which is how we usually have done it. does donald trump bet he can move on about bannon. if everyone is screaming about statues, his people stay with him. >> he knew bannon was gone. he still defended the white nationalist who is were there in charlottesville. he still came out and said very controversial things on tuesday. you have to remember donald trump hates to be told what to do period. he wants to do what he feels like is right. i was talking to somebody close to the president today and they said this idea he's playing three dimensional chess and everyone plays checkers is wrong. he act...

Accidents. you know, if there was any sign that donald trump had ever understood this, thought about it, had a strategy, knew what the next move was, this might be encouraging. but he's not playing three dimensional chess. he's barely playing two dimensional checkers, and i don't think he thinks two moves ahead in circumstances like this. he wants to sound tough. he gives you the bluster, and then he's got a bunch of people scrambling around behind him going, oh, my god. what do we do now? >> what's the north korean strategy? are they just working on the assumption that for decades now, the am...

In north korea in a way that another president's language might not be understood? >> i don't think so. i think you're looking for a silver lining here. the reality is although -- by the way, i just saw something that trump re-tweeted something that somebody had said, that said that his being this erratic was actually a help. so i think he's now embracing that argument. yeah, i'm crazy. this is all part of a plan. it's not part of a plan. it's making our allies nervous. it's causing the north koreans to ratchet this up, and it's what can lead us to accidents. overstatements to lead to accident...

Just the president entertaining an alternative universe or smoke screen that keeps the press and the country on these -- and not -- >> comey leaked? >> comey leaked, because he felt that the white house and the president was going in a direction that was dangerous and wanted there to be a special counsel. he did nothing illegal and nothing wrong. but the point is, it's all these side shows which pull us away from what is the truth. health care and taxes, stuff that's life and death for americans. >> during the campaign, it was perceived that trump was playing this three dimensional chess, that...