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Custody or deceased. >> so steve, are they looking to engage with him, speak to him? you have done dozens of these things, walk us through it. >> they would bring in what we call in america a throw phone. they would try to put a wired phone in, toss it to him, talk to him, try to get him out. they would explain his situation. you might get hostage negotiator in there to try and convince them to come out. but you have no idea what their mindset is. >> let's look at the fact that they now have the man believed to be the mastermind. this is someone the french tried to take out with error strikes ...

Would be going through now to try and establish whether or not there's more than dorner if it is dorner in the cabin he's at, how to make contact, is there phone lines, is there a way to set up communication. give us an idea of the kind of procedures that they'd be going through at this point. >> right now, al. obviously one is law enforcement tactical teams. and others have surrounded that cabin and made sure no one can get in and in theory no one can get out. if they're being shot at and have a clear target, they will shoot back. if you're trying to identify an existing phone line that's in ...

By the cash register, then they could safely he move the people upstairs out the windows in the back. once they isolated and locate him if he didn't have a lot of freedom of movement because of his wounds, s.w.a.t. tactical officers with long scopes close up with binoculars, they could watch him and see him and talk to him. preferably you want to talk to him on the phone. they get him a phone, a throw phone if you can, which is a hard line hostage phone if you can get him that. that's the easiest and most effective way. it's a hard straight line from where the officers are. it could be by a ce...