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Or reject that advice from karl rove? >> as an end strategy, karl may have some very good points but where we're at right now is we've had these conservatives in the senate who have been throwing bombs at peter king and i in the house asking for a defunding of obama care funding package. so what we're doing now is giving them the fight. wolf, if the senate sends us a package back that full chy fund obama care because senate conservatives have failed in their mission to hold the senate, then we will have a conversation about how we move forward. i'm not one -- >> how will you vote if that happe...

Teddy roosevelt loved football and thought it was an awesome pastime and great way to train our men and women and there's lot of similarities to the military. think of the language they use. touching down, ground game, different language. throwing bombs down the field. you are protecting one another. these guys on the field take orders from a coach. they follow instructions. they're excellent leaders when they come out. that's why roosevelt thought it was so important that it was part of our culture that men were playing football and he encouraged it. it's a great sport. this culture now, mult...

Saying you can't raise letter, everything goes up today. what this poor gentleman is going through, unfortunately, will attack the middle class. >> steve: right. but sebelius came out yesterday and said the information statements put out at the state level are just factually inaccurate. that's because ohio came out last week and said, you know what? it looks like the rate for individual policies in ohio will rise 41% next year. so sebelius came out and said, that's not true. we'll see. >> gretchen: a crazy story for you. one of the teens was a local beauty queen accused of throwing bombs. ains...

Run a think tank. it's what we are in here in washington. think tanks are not about coming up with new policies. >> did you say the post thought era? >> post thought era. is thought dead? it's obvious, if you look around this town, you have to come to this conclusion. it's not about new ideas or solutions. it's about hammering the other side, bomb throwing. it's what jim demint has been good at. a lot of people are disappointed he's leaving the senate for a place of less power. if you are throwing bombs, perhaps it's safer if he's doing it across massachusetts avenue at the heritage foundation...

[ humming ] from an original bomb thrower and habits dying hard, to spicolli on the scene -- >> enough of the talk and speeches. for the first time,there are numbers on pieces of paper -- >> both sides will be throwing bombs at each other. >> numbers on paper! >> the holdup right now is speaker boehner -- >> he can we can't sit here and negotiate by ourselves. >> i don't want to you fall off this cliff. >> i have no particular observation. >> why don't you voluntarily jump off this super cliff. your fall will be cushioned by lava. >> i will not play that game. we have to break that habit bef...