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Going to come out on top because they just keep throwing buckets of slime at one another. and from outside if we're not watching all of that advertising, it's really hard to keep an eye on exactly what's happening. and for mr. tyler to say he's -- he doesn't talk to his candidate, he doesn't need to. he worked for him for years. he is able to channel him. so this is really a case study in how fictional this idea of these independent pacs really are. >> rick, are you a fiction? are you creating a fictional difference between yourself and your candidate? are you channeling him in the way some pe...

They just keep throwing buckets of slime at one another. and from outside if we're not watching all of that advertising, it's really hard to keep an eye on exactly what's happening. and for mr. tyler to say he's -- he doesn't talk to his candidate, he doesn't need to. he worked for him for years. he is able to channel him. so this is really a case study in how fictional this idea of these independent pacs really are. >> rick, are you a fiction? are you creating a fictional difference between yourself and your candidate? are you channeling him in the way some people do when they go to their cla...

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Matter which of these two gentlemen using the term that way would succeed that they'll both be further to the right than they'd like to be going into the race against the president. >> well, i think they already are, chris. i think we see that very clearly. the problem for newt, for mitt romney right now, is that he does look like the man of the top 1%. his taxes told us that. the polls, not just the polls. the elections are showing us that. he wins with voters who make over $200,000 a year and he loses with voters, the lunch pail republicans who make around $50,000 a year. but the thing that ...