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Administration is left with is, you know, basically informational warfare. and unmasking russian plans before the russians can implement them and taking away the element of surprise. and i think it is working pretty well. and it is for -- it is buying a lot of time for this diplomatic process to continue, which is ostensibly what moscow wants. what it says it wants. and i think they kind of do want the diplomatic process. they think, you know, it is interesting when you hear, you know, the establishment in washington talk about, oh, tensions have never been higher since the cold war as if that...

Time focusing as you just mentioned on all the fire policy details that the average voter does not know a thing about. >> i was going to say i was in december earlier this week, spoke to some prominent congress members and they told me democrats simply too things. they don't want to get in the mud with republicans and sling it out so to speak. at the same time they're not just good at delivering a narrative about what they represent. fair assessment, you think? >> well, i think they -- part of the problem was they didn't have a narrative because they didn't have build back better and the infra...

Don't commit any fouls while the other side is slashing at you with a knife and other weapons. so i think they could be a lot tougher and spend a little less time focusing as you just mentioned on all the fire policy -- finer policy details that the average voter doesn't know a thing about. >> i was going to say i was in d.c. earlier this week, spoke to some prominent congress members and they told me democrats simply too things. they don't want to get in the mud with republicans and sling it out so to speak. at the same time they're not just good at delivering a narrative about what they repr...

Time. even those trampolines, now they have the safety net surrounds them. how many times did you fall off a trampoline? >> i got my head stuck between the springs and i was there for like a day. >> does seem like this whole culture is safety -- i understand while you want to take care of your kids but at a certain point they literally had padlocked the playgrounds during the pandemic. >> throwing sand into the skateboard parks in l.a. you reminded me -- i remember when you were a kid the fear of getting your stomach pumped. and then you go johnny cracked his head open and -- but it's only lik...

The prosecution here could include fines, it could include up to 12 months of jail time. this is an important one, because it's going to set the tone going forward for all these hostile witnesses who are either refusing to comply, who are kind of throwing sand in the gears, who want to wait and see how aggressive this committee is going to get in terms of its demands, how aggressive it's going to be in terms of forcing people to comply. lastly, steve bannon is a figure with a national profile of his own. he's been prominent in far right circles for many years before donald trump even appeared ...