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Special counsel john durham's investigation into the how the trump/russia hoax began. we're learning the f.b.i. either got it wrong or lied to its agents about where the intel was coming from. the f.b.i. said the d.o.j. was seeding info on trump when it came from michael sussman. the man on trial this week. your take. >> i think it's fascinating. sussman is a lobbyist, an attorney on the outside of the one of the t*id bits coming out of this election he had a hall pass. he had a badge to get into the department of justice without having to sign into visitors log. are you kidding me? this is co...

Mueller report, they have all the extra tid bits. it's not a crime. she said it will never come out. >> she won't be able to say, oh, i won't speak to what's in the mueller report that i told mueller that is now public that everyone has seen in the mueller report. but i think that one of her wins is that she is not testifying in public. what i mean by win there, it is good that we will have a transcript. for the american people, there is an issue about credibility. the way you assess that is by seeing the person. >> so you're saying that's unfortune. >> that's unfortunate. >> the larger back d...

Have i think a partial transcript up as well now on the site. there's lots of other tid bits, some of which are funny little moments. there was one in which he said he was talking about the tax bill and he took issue with reports that maybe he doesn't have as much detail knowledge about the tax bill and other legislation that's gone through congress. >> i have the quote here, it says mr. trump disputed reports that suggested that he does not have a detailed understanding of a legislation saying i know the details of taxes better than anybody. better than the greatest cpa. i know the greatest d...

And if you look at story and we have i think a partial transcript up as well now on the site. there's lots of other tid bits, some of which are funny little moments. there was one in which he said he was talking about the tax bill and he took issue with reports that maybe he doesn't have as much detail knowledge about the tax bill and other legislation that's gone -- >> i have the quote here, it says mr. trump disputed reports that suggested that he does not have a detailed understanding of a legislation saying i know the details of taxes better than anybody. better than the greatest cpa. i kn...

He's a man who carries out orders. if there were any instructions, they came from the chairman of the board of bbt bank. >> how do you interpret the russian bank says this was for business, and the trump administration and the u.s. government say it was for government. >> it's difficult for me to interpret such a contradiction. however, it's very possible that what you're administration regards as a governmental issue, russia views as an experience. >> joining us now, a msnbc national security analyst, your reaction to ari's interview? >> i thought it was fantastic, he had a lot of tid bits in...