So it's significant for them to either pay $1200 and a penalty or to pay $5,000 premium for a bronze plan. someone making $40,000 out there you are stuck in the middle. you can't afford the mandate to pay the penalty and you can't afford the premium. if we get rid of that tax penalty i'll save somebody that makes $40,000, $1200 a year. >> bill: high risk pools can stabilize markets. >> senators collins is saying give $10 billion to the state markets to bolster high-risk pools. that's a great idea. >> bill: more with sandra now. >> sandra: vice president pence heading to capitol hill one hour f...