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Much more palpable then than it is today. but it is not to say that this is not potentially a very incendiary situation. in fact, that's -- when i served in korea many years ago as director of intelligence u.s. forces korea, what i always worried about was an incendiary event getting out of hand. we can't know -- we don't understand exactly what the decision making mechanisms are, processes, surrounding kim jong-un in north korea, or what would set him off. and that's why i think many people, myself included, would argue for more temperate language than the fire and fury thing. >> you just hea...

But rather addressed the fundamental issue. >> so there is mr. bossert saying he didn't dignify by saying their names. after that, jack tapper who is the host of that program actually pressed him further. this is a bit long but i want you to listen to tim bossert -- mr. bossert, on the followup. please listen. >> these groups showed up looking for violence. >> what groups? >> i think it's important for people to understand -- >> what groups are you referring to? >> the groups that -- i refer to the groups that clashed yesterday. i think it was pretty graphically evident. >> are you talking abo...