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Special equipment. they are very methodical having to swim basically and water that i'm sure that has very little or no visibility. i also understand there was one place where they had a constriction where they actually had to take off their gear and that is some of the most technical diving that you can do. it's extremely dangerous. it requires, like i say, a great deal of training and experience and a very, very cool head. >> sandra: clearly this is a situation that is developing by the minute and by the hour. we are watching this, desperate to get these boys and that man free. as far as man...

Successful, or they should just shut up. that can do more damage than anything else. >> jesse: i think the references to john kerry when he was negotiating the iran deal, he refused to leave the table because it was up against a time constraint and the legacy play was very much in his mind and in barack obama's mind. this president is going to keep john kerry in his little bicycle far away from singapore. >> i think every american including democrats and everyone in congress by thinking about the tens of thousands of american soldiers in south korea. so, people want them to be safe and ideally...

Successful, or they should just shut up. that can do more damage than anything else. >> jesse: i think the references to john kerry when he was negotiating the iran deal, he refused to leave the table because it was up against a time constraint and the legacy play was very much in his mind and in barack obama's mind. this president is going to keep john kerry in his little bicycle far away from singapore. >> i think every american including democrats and everyone in congress by thinking about the tens of thousands of american soldiers in south korea. so, people want them to be safe and ideally...

Experienced, birilliant crew wih him. the most important thing i think that assuming this questioning takes place, either informally or at the grand jury, let's say it happens informally, most important thing is to not have time constraint on it. to make it clear there's not going be a time limitation on the questioning. that's number one. number two, is to serve notice on the president that he's going to answer every question unless he claims a privilege. he will not be allowed to do what president clinton did and say, there's certain things i'm not going to answer, even though i'm not -- i a...

To conduct the grand jury questioning of president bill clinton. we welcome to the broadcast, mimi roka, former attorney for the southern district of new york. currently a distinguished fellow and criminal justice at the pace university school of law. sol, because these are two such different characters and very different men, is there any constant that is transferable, a standard that would apply to the questioning of one, and ergo, to the other? >> well, for any investigation like this and any questioning like this, you obviously want to be totally prepared. and mueller's got a great experie...