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You won't talk to the north koreans until they know they're defeated. we're a long way from that. julie: it's interesting you mention south korea with the first liberal president to be elected recently and that president wanting to talk to north korea, we haven't seen that. so you have these three nations, potentially, in for talks. of course, that will take a lot of time and not having to see these sort of blatant disrespect slap in the face to the west each time test fires a missile. jordan, great to have you on, and we look forward to the next time. not to a launch but to our interview. >> ...

You won't talk to the north koreans until they know they're defeated. we're a long way from that. julie: it's interesting you mention south korea with the first liberal president to be elected recently and that president wanting to talk to north korea, we haven't seen that. so you have these three nations, potentially, in for talks. of course, that will take a lot of time and not having to see these sort of blatant disrespect slap in the face to the west each time test fires a missile. jordan, great to have you on, and we look forward to the next time. not to a launch but to our interview. >> ...