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All right. president trump's senior advisor and son-in-law is jared kushner. he's presently in iraq with the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. he's learning about this job he now has. kushner's plate filled with a variety of domestic and international issues. is he the right guy for any of this? let's discuss with the author of trump nation, the art of being the donald. tim o'brian and cnn contributor emily jane fox. good to have you both here. you dig into who kushner is. the people that know him will say smart guy, good to deal with when you are doing these development deals. no inferen...

Immigrants. >> don't we have a problem, we've looked the other way on this legal immigration that's kind of overwhelmed the country? when you look and it's got 61 million, 20% of the country is immigrants? is that not a massive problem? >> reporter: a problem as he sees it. and something the white house, where he holds a position of influence, has wasted no time in addressing. gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta. >> joining me now is trump biographer tim o'brian author of "trump nation the art of being the donald" and executive editor at bloomberg view. obviously we just heard bannon's comments on immi...

Oftentimes members of congress i will talk to say, geez, i didn't realize it came out that way or, i'm sorry. or no, i meant it and it was a grown-up comment and i'll say and then others that are -- as the president would say grand standing. i'm not saying senator corker is that way. i'm saying some people grandstand and kind of enjoy the attention. >> do you notice a pattern there? john kelly was supposed to reset. he talked around most of those stories. without actually denying any of them. so what happens when one of your chief defenders doesn't actually come to your defense? joining us now...

Will he become presidential? has he finally become -- >> is this a pivotal? >> who can manage him? >> right. >> at this stage, these are unhealthy and unsophisticated ways to be managing the most powerful office in the world. >> mick mcvayny was on this weekend. but when asked about the chaos or however you want to describe what some think is going on in the white house, he said, i'm there every day. i don't see any disorganization. i don't see any chaos. at some point this is a situation of the emperor having no clothes. we keep hearing people as tim says coming out as if in a hostage video a...

Country for a long time. i think people tend to respect to that. i want to read to you "the new york times" account when he went back into service leaving a high paying job. eric holder was the chief prosecutor in washington and received -- >> jill, what does that tell us? >> it is very indicative of his entire career of public service and his dedication to justice in america. i think he's an admirable person who has served the country well and is currently doing exactly that. >> hmm. tim, some lawyers are known because they like to fight and argue and that could be a good skill. other lawyers...