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I think we're going to have some pretty shocking, further revelations about just how much he was getting from foreign governments. >> tim, i mean, how big a deal is this ruling, in your view? because the judge said the house can't see tax returns before he was president. does that -- does that make a big difference, do you think? >> i mean, i'm glad that we got this. i -- i would disagree with my friend, norm, a little bit in -- in -- in regards to whether or not it's a milestone because i just don't feel there's enough here. there's a lot of arbitrary boundaries around this. the -- judge meta...

Desire to pad his own wallet? i think this disclosure gets towards that. and he knows it. and there's -- there's relationships he's had, in his past, that he's concerned about. donald trump consorted with members of organized crime in atlantic city and in the new york real estate market. there is a lot of dirt there, that he doesn't want to expose. doesn't want to be exposed. and i think if he wasn't concerned about those things, he would have freely given these documents up, as he promised to do many times and didn't. >> tim o'brien, norm eisen, appreciate it. thank. coming up next, the inf...

House democrats during the first impeachment and a cnn legal analyst. and also, timothy o'brien, author of "trump nation, the art of being the donald." so, norm, you raised a red flag, early on, about the emoluments clause and the former president. you heard what the judge wrote. the -- what do you make of where this has landed? of what the judge has, so far, decided? >> anderson, thanks for having me back. i think it's an important milestone on holding trump accountable. when you and i, first, started talking about emoluments, uh, in 20 -- early 2017 -- we didn't imagine it would take this lo...

As an advice of council defense to some of the fraud charges. and he doesn't email. so we know that there isn't going to be a lot of documentary evidence that demonstrates donald trump's knowledge of any misreputations to insurance companies, to banks, to tax authorities. that's why allen weisselberg becomes so important. and if he is indicted, because he would know all of this stuff, then the question is whether or not he will cooperate. because i do think that you will need someone who really knows the ins and outs of the trump organization to find -- in order to testify, in order to get don...

Crimes, potentially. so investigators will let us know what they have found. timothy o'brien, thank you so much for being here tonight. please stay safe. don't go anywhere, because my favorite story of the week is coming up next. take a deep breath in. and out. and stick around.