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Associates, including paul manafort, michael flynn, is directed to the special counsel probe. so even if it has nothing to do with russia or the 2016 election, it will go to robert mueller and there's a couple reasons for that. obviously they want to investigate every lead they can but it could be used as a tool to gain leverage in order to encourage cooperation among some of the subjects, anderson. >> pamela brown, thank you very much. stay with us. joining the conversation is timothy o'brien, trump biographer. you looked into trump's finances for years intimately, got sued for it by him. the...

Rosenberg and timothy o'brien. how broad is the mandate for mueller? the president's lawyer says anything that goes beyond his mandate. there's a lot of people that argue it's relatively broad. >> i'm sure the mandate does include this. you know, it's the kind of thing that would get hashed out by lawyers in court i would imagine. the definition, or the scope of the mandate offered by trump's lawyers is far narrower than most people would interpret it to be. >> tim, you know a lot about president trump's business interests and finances. you were involved in a lawsuit with him. what do you make...

You don't necessarily need to go to the lawyers to get the information in the investigation. >> stay with us. i want to bring in matthew rosenberg and timothy o'brien. how broad is the mandate for mueller? the president's lawyer says anything that goes beyond his mandate. there's a lot of people that argue it's relatively broad. >> i'm sure the mandate does include this. you know, it's the kind of thing that would get hashed out by lawyers in court i would imagine. the definition, or the scope of the mandate offered by trump's lawyers is far narrower than most people would interpret it to be. ...

Believe outside of what mueller should be doing. he said the president's outside counsel has not received any request for documentation or information about this in terms of asking for financial records. he went on to say that any inquiry from the special counsel that goes beyond the mandate specified in the appointment we would object to. so making it clear there, and echoing from what we heard from the president that in their view, this does cross the red line. i should point out, too, that any lead that comes into the department of justice that has to do with any of trump associates, includ...

He makes up things all the time. maybe they to and just don't care. at some point, there's going to be a real crisis involviing thi country as a lot of people pointed out and the president will have to look into the camera and speak to all americans. let's hope in that moment he chooses his words carefully so all of us can in that moment at least believe what's coming out of his mouth. joining me now here now on the phone, here in person, s.e. cupp, gloria borger, kristen powers, timothy o'brien, michael dantonio. i don't understand why the people, the podium at the white house can't just say,...