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>> if you dig down to the very core, to the ninth level -- to the ninth level of the anti-obama movement, you find people who not only view him as from another party or another country but practically from another planet. the president is fully aware of this. i remember him saying a lot of these people don't even think i was born here and he wasn't even sure what he meant by here. that's the theology of it, chris. there's a theological belief at the heart of this that obama -- the president is somehow not only not legitimate, not american but not even from here. that's an element of theology w...

It's nice to preserve credibility, but that's also an abstraction, which is the reality of getting stuck in a military situation where you have to go back and again and again and again and you get sucked in without any outcome. >> i have to admit i'm all prejudiced when it comes to this stuff. i don't have the reporting that you have to do every day. i don't want to get in the same companies as the neo cons. i don't want to be a part of people who are always more knee-jerk military action in that part of the world. a lot of people want the united states to be the main military power in the mid...

It's unbelievable. >> but you skate over the fact that as a political point, you lost the election because of those types of questions that are coming out of birth certificates. people are concerned about jobs, they're concerned about the economy and health care. so you weren't even talking about some central issues. i started with a strong statement. i know you're going challenge me at some point. go ahead, michael. i think a lot of this is 44 kind of stuff. just like i compared him to jackie robinson. these guys it's almost like we've got to put an asterisk next to his name. he has not reall...

>> but you skate over the fact that as a political point, you lost the election because of those types of questions that are coming out of birth certificates. people are concerned about jobs, they're concerned about the economy and health care. so you weren't even talking about some central issues. i started with a strong statement. i know you're going challenge me at some point. go ahead, michael. i think a lot of this is 44 kind of stuff. just like i compared him to jackie robinson. these guys it's almost like we've got to put an asterisk next to his name. he has not really been president. h...

The majority of the u.s. senate and retire harry reid. ed rendell, and john braybrenner, a strategist. with many impressive clients, i must say, i learned that today. let me go to the governor on this one. this attempt began way back with the you lie and birther iism and sort of an attempt to put an asterisk next to his name, so on the list of presidents someday they'll be able to say he was never really president, because he was some some other country, and the bill he hassed was never really really an act of government. they are using tissue rejection to try to get him out of the american ...