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Standing near that at the moment. martha: how is this for hard ball? one. lawyers for the benghazi whistle-blowers, the state department says she is lying. you don't want to miss this. on "america's newsroom." we'll be right back. >> he is not briefed or should have been involved more in it because it is a little embarrassing when a president of the united states says something that really isn't very logical. [ male announcer ] what?! investors could lose tens of thousands of dollars in hidden fees on their 401(k)s?! go to e-trade and roll over your old 401(k)s to a new e-trade retirement acco...

And use basically a backfire or controlled burn. as the fire begins to approach they'll set a fire in front of it, try to burn some of the vegetation so you don't have 30-foot wall of flames hitting a subdivision. this is very, very dry. we have not -- this is basically the third dryist winter on record. the humidity levels yesterday where are 4, 5%, that is like newspaper to a fire, and that's what they are dealing with again today as you mentioned, we shallee expecting 90-degree temperatures, maybe 40-mile an hour santa ana wind. red flag warnings remain in effect until about 5:00pm and it s...

What's going to change here because you heard the president's press conference on tuesday. he is clearly not going to buy into your argument? >> well i don't even know if he is aware of these things. you know, you listen to him saying for 90% of the americans everything is fine. but even the congressional budget office says eight million americans who have health insurance will be thrown off of it. health insurance costs are going up, 25 to 30% across the country. the cost of care has gone up. and, we hear of businesses and not just me, the federal reserve, last two months of reports said peop...

Think this is yet another example of the north koreans grandstanding, saying, basically, you meddle in our affairs at your peril. and although this gentleman is half south korean and half-american, the fact that he has got some kind of an american citizenship is basically, something that the north koreans can play with. and i think the americans are in a very difficult position with this one because the bigger picture is far more important than this poor guy that has been given hard labor for 15 years. but it is almost like a hostage crisis situation. they're basically saying we've got him and...

Which means, going and squeezing the entitlements of social security and medicare much, much harder than anybody is comfortable with. jenna: so this is a lesser of two evils essentially, is that the way you think about it? only have a minute, austan? >> simpson-bowles gave you targeted amount, said two it two or three to one cuts to revenues. and that is similar to the ratios the president is proposing here. it is similar to some of the ratios you've seen from some republicans but if this attitude prevails tha can't be any revenue and we're not going to count past spending cuts as part of the ...