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Whether this exists. >> i can deny it. eric: you just denied it. but he think of that, bill? >> the very fact he has denied a fisa application or a title iii was in a fact, that is absolutely right. he would know it wouldn't happen unless he knew it, particularly at this level. and then we take that out of play. now, any contention that there was over years in trump tower sponsored by whether, it would have to be on the criminal side of things that we would have to unravel that as well. this is the most confusing set of facts have ever seen. eric: that is true. as you'll be berra says it ain't...

Ridiculous. >> finally to put s'more ziti on top of your spaghetti, something even more confusing this morning. vigier james clapper, former director of the dni said, talking about reports that the server in trump tower in which allegedly may have intercepted communications with russian banks. clapper this morning that there was no fisa order as has been widely reported. here is what he said. >> there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president -- the president-elect at the time or as a candidate or against his campaign. i can't speak for other title iii authorized entities in t...

The cia was that he not in a in time. right now to say that trump tower falls were bugs, you would have to have probable cause. the white house isn't going to bring this to the judge. but you have to have probable cause now if it is a foreign counterintelligence type of inquiry that would be before a fisa judge. if it was a criminal act is somehow popped up along the lines, and you would bring it to a judge to get the authorization for a title iii communications. i don't know that this occurred. i don't know that it didn't. when lewandowski says that they listened in on conversations, i doubt ...

Significance of that as a gesture and a symbol. no question about that. the bottom line is, have you to translate into funding. the fact of the matter is when barack obama took office in '09, federal -- annual federal funding to hbcus was somewhere around $3.8 billion. when i left after the first term, it was at $5.3 billion. that's the biggest increase. that's historic. that's significant. so, the significance of this kind of thing has to be measured in terms of funding. we need to increase pell grants, which is need-based funding to individuals. we need to increase institutional funding, tit...

May have been code words used, other ways that they couched their communications that didn't literally say, hey, i want do this attack on this date against this target. and so it's very hard to listen to those conversations without probable cause. and it has to be that level, minimum of probable cause to get a title iii or nsa wiretap through fisa courts. all right, makes people realize perhaps not doing that does leave open the inevitablity of more attacks like. this thank you both very much. "outfront," new information that sayd farouk planned another terror attack with the man who got him...