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Strike near that border, ukrainian officials are saying the missiles were fired by war planes over the black sea and the sea of azov. i wonder what a no fly zone, would it have prevented thad? >> probably not. if the no fly zone, ana, was only over ukraine. but we're looking at, you know, if you're launching something from the black sea or the sea of a azov, that is outside of ukrainian air space. a no fly zone would have to have the right rules of engagement, so any aircraft flying over these areas would also have been covered by that. none of the proposals i've seen so far would have covered...

The ukrainians seem to be offering to you neutrality and possibly you could take some of their territory or leave it in a fuzzy state to be decided later. take that, because china is an ally of ukraine and partner of russia. and china doesn't want to get bashed with the secondary sanctions that could be coming and surely biden let them know in that phone call that the u.s. and europe, two of china's biggest trading partners would punish beijing if it stuck by russia. >> kim, you sort of outlined some of the potential outcomes that could come from an agreement between ukraine and russia and i'v...

That he would want to increase his capability going forward. we've just not seen that yet. again, the most -- the smartest thing he could do right now is to make a decision to end this conflict. you know, he's passed by a number of opportunities to off-ramp, deescalate and try to settle this through negotiations. we call upon him to do so. >> kim, i keep hearing experts talk about the importance of making sure that putin has an off-ramp to avoid something like the use of nuclear weapons, but he doesn't seem to be looking for an off-ramp. >> not so far. the one positive that could have come out...

Feel the pain from this concerted effort across a number of allies and partners and we don't know if ukraine has that long. yes, russian forces are stalled but reinforcements are apparently on the way, and with a new group of russian soldiers, they could start pushing ahead again. meanwhile what the ukrainian military has to do is buy time for those sanctions to bite, and for something to happen in moscow so that putin relents. >> kim, question. going into this, the concern had been what message does china take regarding taiwan from russia's invasion of ukraine? we've seen the world come toget...

Ukraine thus far? >> well, the word alone, hypersonic should indicate the difference. it goes at an incredibly fast rate, incredibly fast speed. there's some questions about whether we can detect those missiles with our current radars. and because they're going so fast fast, if we can intercept them and knock them down. this is a new level of capability within the missile regime. we're starting to see those used not only by the russians now in ukraine, but the chinese have also developed that capability. we're developing that capability, but we're a bit behind the times compared to china and r...