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The details or he sees too many complexities in. this case, we have trashed him a lot for being overly complex in his thinking sometimes. this is a case where his ability to deal with complex things really helped him evaluate it seems all the pieces of this thing. >> do you think we have ever picked a president we think is not as smart as we are? do you think that the right will even go that far? they are looking at people like palin they don't think is as smart as they are. do you think we'll ever pick somebody that people say, they are not as smart as me. i want them to be president. do you ...

Howard fineman is the editorial director for "the huffington post" and msnbc analyst. and todd perdham is the national and todd perdham is the national editor -- do i have to ask what republicans -- secular cannonization. the guy would be on mt. rushmore if w. had done this. carving the stone tonight, right? >> no question. >> the spiking of the ball. >> just like what george w. did, you know, on the aircraft carrier. >> without even doing it. >> it wasn't really mission accomplished. this really was a mission accomplished. if it were they, the republicans, there would be fireworks everywhere....

>> by the way, he's put a lot more troops in afghanistan, ok? he didn't put as many as some of the conservatives wanted. stepped up the present attacks with the drones. and here are the differences between president bush and dick cheney almost literally pushing the 500 daisy cutter bombs down onto iraq and not getting what they were targeting. and the approximate the getting the purpose that he was targeting. >> there's a difference between being cold blooded and being a sadist. i think presidents had to be cold blooded. >> i think most people would agree with that. >> but all the debate about...

And todd perdham is the national editor. do i have to ask what republicans -- secular cannonization. the guy would be on mt. rushmore if w. had done this. carving the stone tonight, right? >> no question. >> the spiking of the ball. >> just like what george w. did, you know, on the aircraft carrier. >> without even doing it. >> it wasn't really mission accomplished. this really was mission accomplished. if it was the republicans, there would be fireworks everywhere. >> todd, do you want to venture a partisan assessment here? >> i think most republicans were quite effusive of the praise of the ...

You'd take him out. you shouldn't say that out loud because it will hurt our relationship with pakistan. >> by the way, he's put a lot more troops in afghanistan, ok? he didn't put as many as some of the conservatives wanted. stepped up the present attacks with the drones. and here are the differences between president bush and dick cheney almost literally pushing the 500 daisy cutter bombs down onto iraq and not getting what they were targeting. and the approximate the getting the purpose that he was targeting. >> there's a difference between being cold blooded and being a sadist. i think pre...