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Nothing short of outrageous. so i thought that he was very even in a very, very difficult trial. but just to the point of the other speakers, what is significant to me is the notion that trying to disarm someone who is attacking you can't be money excuse to kill. and as a contrast then between the finding in this case and rittenhouse and that should give us pause. >> and david ehrenberg, the defense attorneys resorted to using racist tropes throughout the trial. it was ugly. it was despicable. does it appear to you that that strategy backfired because there were a lot of legal experts such as ...

Actually saw this tape but declined to initiate charges against these individuals. so i think that is the reason for hesitancy although the prosecution has done a yoman's job in putting together the best case they possibly could. >> talk a little more about that. i wasn't at lunch at the chop house but i've had a lot of people ask me essentially why would the defense say those things about ahmaud arbery's toe nails? why would she say something that offensive? the answer has to be to a degree because she thinks it will work. >> there is no question. i think that most people see the inherent and...

Know how well it is going. >> and i wanted to ask and any of you could chime in here for a reaction to what some of the defense attorneys were saying during this trial, during portions of this trial. we heard comments about ahmaud arbery's toe nails, and comments about black pastors in the courtroom and so on. i suppose as prosecutors you have to keep your cool in those kind of situations. linda, or whoever else, what is your reaction now that the case is over to -- i mean they were just overt racist tropes being thrown out there in front of the jury. >> i'll let larissa hand thl one. >> i thi...

>> what she just said, beyond rude. regardless of what kind of toe nails he had, what size legs he had, that was still my son. and my son actually was running for his life. in that description. >> reporter: now the big question is once the jury has the case for consideration, how much pressure will they feel with the upcoming thanksgiving holiday to render a verdict before then? christine and paula. >> all right, thanks so much for that. 8 minutes past the hour. ahead of black friday, supply chain crunch could be easing in california. ♪

Arguments. then what will happen is the jury gets charged. in other words, they're told the charges and they're also told the laws that apply here. and then they are given the case to consider for some kind of a verdict. during closing arguments, though, on the part of gregory mcmichael, laura hogue made some comments in reference to ahmaud arbery. one, she seemed to blame arbery for his own death. the other was the physical description she used. i'm going to let you hear that and then the reaction of ahmaud arbery's mother to her words. >> turning ahmaud arbery into a victim after the choices...