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Ambassador. he seems to be backing away from that. what do you think? >> i think benghazi was hyped by this network especially and now that the campaign is over i think he's backing off a little bit. they are not going to stop susan rice from being secretary of state. >> benghazi was hyped, especially by the network, but it doesn't stop there. >> you have four people dead including the first u.n. ambassador. >> i see this focus on a small fire fight. i've covered a lot of fire fights. it's impossible to figure out what happens. second, i think that the effort of benghazi have been extremely po...

Republican senators, john mccain, lindsey graham, and kelly. on wednesday she will meet with republican senator susan collins. but forget the facts that make this a no scandal. fox news just keeps its drumbeat going. for the past three months is on an never ending loop. they talk about coverups, what did susan rice know and when did they know it was terror. but today the truth came out. listen to what tom ricks, the defense expert and pulitzer price winner -- listen to what he has had to say. >> senator mccain says he would block any chance to nominate susan rice to become secretary of state. ...

Interview very short. >> yes. the poor chap was struggling to give a response when mr. ricks made that comment about if the journalists knew anything of the numbers who had been killed in that sort of setting prior and outside of the actual attacks on that day. he just didn't know what to say. >> yeah. i mean, tom ricks went at him and said how many contractors have been killed in libya in these conflicts? and the anchor had nothing to say. and tom ricks said, it's somewhere in the couple thousands but even we don't know the number because no one talks about it, and yet we're sitting here spen...

Extremely political probably because fox was operating as a wing of the republican party. >> tom ricks, thanks very much for joining us today. >> you're welcome. >> joining us now is lynn sweet, d.c. bureau chief for "the chicago sun-times" and john than capehart, an msnbc contributor. welcome to both of you. john, that was tom ricks, a pulitzer prize-winning journalist. do you get the impression that the tent that houses the ben z benghazi truthers is getting a little smaller and by the way, if i don't like your response, i will end the segment early. >> clearly they didn't like it. that inte...

Wing of the political party. >> tom ricks, thank you for joining us. >> as far as young women are concerned, i can state my position on abortion. other than that leave the issue alone. >> 20 hail marys, 20 our fathers. ja let's get to our fanl. ana marie cox is a correspondent for "the guardian," and msnbc political analyst karen finney. karen, we just heard senator john mccain a moment ago in "top lines" saying, okay, from now on we republicans should just leave the issue of abortion alone. does he mean that republicans should belatedly accept the supreme court ruling or is he saying that the...