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And he said them very straightforwardly. he said this election is rigged. he said the polls are rigged. he said that the media is rigged. he said, for example, george bush, president of his own party, had deceived us, lied to us into the iraq war. it wasn't a mistake, it wasn't bad intelligence. he did it deliberately. now, if that is not shaking the foundations of the trust -- >> bill: you are saying that he is getting what he deserves? is that what you are saying?g? >> no, i am simply saying that history does not start january 20th -- >> bill: you have to start with the power structure. a ca...

Is only applicable to information that is gathered outside of the united states.o, in absolutely no way does it have anything to do with trump tower.ni >> bill: we are talking about a conversation with a russian ambassador that is being widely speculated upon. we are talking about a new information, okay, inside the government, that was allowed by president obama and loretta lynch -- >> which only apply to foreign gathered intelligence. >> bill: russia as a foreign country. >> if you collect the intelligence of the united states, even if you a collected about russia, that does not apply, bill....

The trump campaign and russia, at least at this point. correct? now, on to the tapping. in order for that to legally happen, a judge would have to issue a fisa warrant. >> if the fbi, for instance, had a fisa court order for surveillance, with that the information you would know? >> yes. >> you would be told this? if there was a fisa court order or something like this? >> yes, something like this, absolutely. >> you can't confirm or deny whether that exists? >> i can deny it. >> bill: that is pretty definitive. president trump has asked for an investigation into the alleged tapping. f we assum...

There was, we are going to gettr him and it is going to be nonstop. that is exactly what we are seeing. >> i think that's true. but i think it's wrong to begin history with the resistance to the trump presidency. look at what happened when barack obama was elected and who led the movement to discredit his presidency, to say he was illegitimate, to say he should never be in the white house, because he was not born in hawaii, but in kenya, but donald trump. >> bill: you can't compare the two because there was no backing for that.. that was a fringe play. now, you can chastise mr. trump for buyin...

President obama made it easier to leak in january. i think if you were donald trump, you would be pretty furious and he would feel that the old order is against you.fe >> bill: the facts are the facts. based upon your government experience, will the two congressional committees investigating this, one senate, one house, be able to find out who tapped the russian ambassador and flynn? will that become apparent fairly quickly? >> it will become apparent if they use their subpoena power and if attorney general sessions enforces that subpoena power. >> bill: he certainly will. >> it is going to be...